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How many?

According to factoidz 1,012,472 animals were used in research laboratories in 2006, this number did NOT include mice rats, and birds.

Although I had thought that AWA covered them all, factoidz says no.

Factoids also says the 2 biggest funders for this are the National Institute of Health and the Department of Defense.

http://factoidz.com/animal-experimentation-is-it-really-neccessary

I have heard that universities use animals. and that cosmetic companies do too.

I don’t know if religion is doing it’s job. I thought the idea of religion was to make people more compassionate. Guess I was wrong; it often seems to make people angrier and less tolerant.

Look where these breeders/dealers are: in the bible belt.
http://www.okpuppymilltruth.org/comparison.php

(you might want to look up you know which kennel club here too)

I thought that animals were only supposed to be used once, for one experiment, then found homes for – but without positive ID, those animals can be sold down the river again and again.

What? You think that the sort of person who sells dogs and cats into torture, wont re-use them?

This is a different civilization than what it was. It is harder to hide things, now that there is an internet. I think it would be best for this sort of thing to be more transparent.

There are people who would adopt a used animal after it has been experimented on – what was the survival rate for dogs?

And the companies could help by directing breeders to only produce dogs that would be re-home-able.

As for completely shutting down such things – you just about have to find an alternative first.

Where’s my doggie?

Well, I wouldn’t want a pet FROM at “class A” dealer/breeder.

But your pet doesn’t want to go TO a “class B” dealer. Better off dead with a quick injection, than living the life of a ‘lab rat’. Dogs are often used as ‘lab rats’ or ‘guinea pigs’.

People have been trying to stop vivisection from the beginning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Dog_affair

If you have been reading, you know that one of PETA’s latest is a months long infiltration of a University in Utah – one of the few states that still have pound seizure laws – a law which says that if a shelter receives public money, then it MUST provide animals to experiment type places.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13861593

I am saddened that lost pets can be sold into places of torture and hell.

There are suppose to be laws. But who is enforcing these laws? The gov? Or does it look like PETA is doing the work?

And I have been around dog show breeders far too many times to be trusting. I just read that class B dealers are suppose to get dogs only from certain types of sources and under certain conditions – one of those is from the person who bred the dog.

Isn’t that nice, not? And who would have the paper work that says that they are the breeder of your dog? Might it be the person who you bought the dog from?

Funny, I have heard dog breeders say that they only sell puppies with a contract that says the buyer must return the dog if the owner can’t keep it anymore, BECAUSE, the breeder doesn’t want the dog sold into research.

But if the class B dealer, is suppose to get dogs from breeders . . . just what do breeder do with returned dogs? There are plenty of dogs for sell on petfinders. Not many grown dogs for sell in the newspaper. Where are these dogs ending up?

A list of dog bunchers is good, but it doesn’t tell you who is gathering up and selling dogs and cats to the bunchers.
http://fortheloveofthedogblog.com/animal-advocacy/dealing-in-dogs

A list of states that have laws that force shelters to sell dogs into research, and a list of states that forbid pounds from selling pet dogs into research, yields interesting results.

Look at how many are in North Carolina? Didn’t know NC was that populated! North Carolina? that rings a bell. What is in North Carolina, something that cares about dogs?

Bigger Taboo than Dog Sex

Do you know what is a bigger taboo than exposing those purebred dog breeders like Pedigree Dogs Exposed did?

What is more taboo then showing breeding dogs with skulls too small for their brains?

What is more taboo than showing English Bulldogs that can’t mate without a person helping them?

What is more taboo than showing bitches tied in rape stands?

Did you learn anything from watching Pedigree Dogs Exposed? If you missed Pedigree Dogs Exposed, it is online, in 6 parts, Terrierman has the links.
http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com

I just read about an expose done by HBO, called “Dealing Dogs” – it’s about Class B dog dealers, bunchers, people who sometimes steal dogs and sell them into laboratories.

http://www.hbo.com
(enter “dealing dogs” in the search – it has links to articles, the video itself, etc.

Would you rather buy a dog from a “Class A” breeder, or a “Class B” dealer?

Ignorant fool. Trusting naive puppy person. Learn and be ignorant no more.

Class A (“A” like in A$$?01ez) are people who breed animals to sell them to research facilities, experimental places, and Frankensteinish laboratories. Their animals are sold to be in the lab, on the slab.

It is worse than you think it is. Pedigree Dogs Exposed did not prepare you for the whole truth.

The truth is that the dogs are bought for experiments, and that the laboratories pay more for some types of dogs than for others.

Class A breeders supply animals bred for laboratories.

If a scientist in studying a condition, he wants animals that are bred to suffer from that condition.

If it is a lethal condition, affected animals sometimes can’t be used for breeding, especially the females, because they don’t always live long enough.

When two carriers are bred, only 1 out of 4 offspring will suffer from the condition.
What do you think the for-profit animal breeder does with the other 75% of the offspring?

What about when the lab only pays $25 for unaffected animals, but the public pays $350 for the unaffected animals? But 2 of every 3 of those unaffected animals, carry the mutant gene.

Everybody is welcome to their own opinion, many people believe that the unhealthy mutations in purebred dogs got there by accident, and spread through the breeds accidentally;

I believe in following the money trail, and I believe that when an industry pays more for mutant dogs than for normal ones, there will be people who deliberately breed for mutations, and middlemen who encourage people to reproduce animals with the desired mutation. It’s what I believe, based on a few conversations, and slips of the tongue by show dog breeders.

Every notice how when you enter “Class A breeders”, you get hits about type B breeders? Even Wikipedia. Taboo?

Is there any law anywhere that says that a Class A breeder can ONLY sell to industry? That they CAN’T sell extras as pets?

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/07/reitman.htm

http://wildwend.blogspot.com/2006/02/sir-maam-your-special-corner-of-hell.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_animal_sources

Trained or Gentleman?

If dogs were as smart as people, and could talk, a bird dog, with the instinct to point, could tell you how he felt when he smelled birds, but a greyhound would have to watch pointing dogs, and analyze how they must feel to freeze up like that.

The pointing dog could “look within” his own ‘heart’, the greyhound would have observe, think, observe more, analyze, report.

Instincts matter.

Dogs that are bred to herd sheep, usually have an urge towards sheep, like bird dogs have an urge towards birds, and hounds want to track, and fighting breeds have the urge to be top dog or fight.

Yes, you can train dogs that want to herd sheep to ignore sheep, and train bird dogs to leave all birds alone, hounds to not run off after a scent, and fighting breeds not to fight.

But, if you are a dog breeder, and you sell purebreds puppies as pets, your responsibility is to breed dogs that don’t have to be trained to repress their instincts because you have bred most of those instincts out of the dogs.

Pet sheepdogs who want to herd sheep but live in a city with no sheep, will often chase cars, kids on bikes, or other moving beings. Pet herding dogs should have the urge to chase and nip bred out of them.

Pet Pit Bulls and other fighting breeds should have the urge to fight bred out of them. The people who buy a puppy might not know how to repress aggressive instincts in game-bred dogs.

Unfortunately, what the current infrastructure has, is lots of dog breeders who ignore breeding against un-civilized instincts, and who keep unsocial dogs in crates, or kennels.

The vocal fraction of breeders are often breeding for appearance, mostly antique rural instincts, or as a tax shelter.

You would be surprised how few dog breeders are breeding dogs that actually live loose in the house, live around children, and are bred from the goal of producing good pets. Even fewer of those dogs come from long lines of dogs specially bred for traits that make for healthy dogs that are good pets.

Many dog breeders breed to try to win dog shows, or to try to win sporting events. They breed dogs to win in a competition that uses dogs.

Some dogs are bred for a use, like guide dogs, military dogs, some few of the herding dogs.

Many of the home-bred dogs are where someone went out and bought two show bred dogs, and then breeds them in her home. This is another case of dog trained to be well behaved, not bred to be naturally well behaved. Her results depend on her knowing how to raise and handle these dogs, or her natural ability to project dominance, or not spoil dogs.

Dog can be bred to be naturally tolerant of children, to have a low drive to bark, and to be friendly.

A working Border Collie puppy, a show Golden Retriever puppy, and a game-bred Pit Bull puppy, can be bought as a pet, but they all carry a different mix of traits.

A working Border Collie puppy is very likely to grow up too active for most people.
A game-bred Pit Bull puppy is apt to grow up too aggressive for most people.

And, while Golden Retrievers are very popular, and the show variety is NOT breed to have hunting instincts, neither are the puppies growing up to each having one litter, then being fixed. Many of the puppies still come from dog breeders who breed from show winners.

When you see a person fall off the top of a tall building, do you have to wait for him to hit the ground before you realize what his chances are?

People have been looking at dog shows and seeing what the end will be since dog shows started – but no one could stop the disaster before it was too late, and it is too late.

We can’t go back to a time where it could have been done right and give it a good outcome.

We can make for a better future, but it is like waiting until most of the giant old trees are cut down before starting to try to save them – yes you can replant, and in a hundred years, replant again with shade tolerant forest trees . . . but it would have been so much easier to do it right to begin with.

Wellminster

If you read the short bit on wikipedia about Scruffts, you will read that it is a show for crossbred dogs, which is put on by the British Kennel Club.

I though what would a crossbred dog show in the US be called if it were modelled after Westminster? Wellminster! – a show for first generation hybrid breed dogs!

Or a Westminster for all mix breeds? Mixminster!
For mutts? Muttminster!

How would purebred dog show breeders feel about a dog show where dogs are judge by their dog’s behavior around other dogs and people?

Just look at how few show dogs also have a CDX or Utility dog degree after there name – the info would be in any show catalog, with the obedience degree listed in the dog’s registered name.

Most dogs entered in the obedience part of dog shows are NOT show champions.

And few show champions are also Obedience Trail champions.

Mine is an over-all impression, but you can do the current numbers yourself from show results on line, just look for the titles in the dogs name

-“CD” means Companion Dog, which is the beginning obedience degree. Rally is another obedience event. Agility requires training, and therefore, some control by the owner. But none of these mean the same as being a good pet.

It is possible to have dogs who have obedience degrees, who still have to live in cages at home, because they try to kill each other, try to tear the cat up, bark endless at falling leaves and everything that moves, try to remove legs from children, and “cat in the hat” the house.

Being easily trained (impressionable, easily conditioned) is not the same thing as having been bred with wolfish instincts deleted. These traits are independent of each other.

A good house dog, is calm, loves to be played with but is fine left alone in the house for awhile, loves his family more than strangers but loves strangers too, does just tolerate children but enjoys their attention, has a strong bladder and a strong instinct to not soil the place he lives in, and only barks when there is a real problem.

An easily trained dog is not the same thing as a well behaved dog, and both of those kinds come in intelligent and non-intelligent varieties.

Pete the Vet

I found a link and followed it, to this article about growing ‘meat’ in a laboratory. This link is against the idea. But that is the logical direction for organ replacement, life extension and longevity, and animal rights.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/100018298/anyone-for-pork-broth-served-by-the-man-in-a-white-coat-and-rubber-gloves/

I love that photo, too bad it isn’t a desktop background!

This is the blog that had the link, which I fetched,
http://petethevet.blogspot.com/

Petethevet, also writes other articles:

This is one about Scruffts which is a mixed breed dog show, for people whose noses aren’t up their ……
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/100016795/looks-can-kill-so-why-judge-dogs-them-on-them

This about the gov finally getting around to regulating the dog industry.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/100015579/pedigree-dog-breeders-is-government-regulation-on-its-way

I do hope the gov in the US doesn’t rush into it and try to do it in one fell swoop.

Neither the gov here, or the public, understand the issues, or has a big picture on just how the dog industries are in the real world – just because an industry isn’t regulated by the gov, doesn’t mean that some group(s) isn’t(aren’t) controlling it.

I believe that much of what is put out as “information” about dogs in the US, is really just a bunch of selfish propaganda.

I believe that the best thing for American government to do is to regulate the number of unfixed dogs allowed per residence/ per property, and per person.

Different numbers for different place. 1 or 2 unfixed dog per property in some place, like NYC. But maybe 12 unfixed dogs in some other areas.

Or if puppymills with 100 to 1,000 dogs have already settled in your area, then limits of 50 unfixed dogs, might be the best you can do.

You could have weighed limits, if there are too many large dogs at the pound being killed, for example: No more than 2 unspayed/ un-neutered dogs, who are over 5 months , and over 20 pounds and/or over 15 inches at the top of the withers.

You could silence many of the complaints about limit laws just be removing dog breeding as a tax shelter.

The part you want to watch about pedigree dogs exposed, is at the beginning of of the today show on NBC. The today show starts at 7:30 AM here.

Tonight is the whole show, but I don’t know what channel in everybody’s area. If you miss it, it is on video (6 parts) over on:

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/

ps: I liked his article about networks pimping for they-who-we-don’t-name, but I question the “free” part. If I were a network, I would charge money to do a show from a dog show – network advertising is not usually free, so why would one assume that dog shows would be a special case?

Is there a clear money trail that says if the “freebies” are free or not?

If you like Pedigree Dogs Exposed, try reading the archives of these two groups – you don’t have to join or sign in – they both have open archive, and allow cross-posting:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/pet-treaty/messages

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political_dog_law/messages

Much like Pedigree Dogs Exposed, the archives of both groups are full of posts about the problems within the dog breeding industry.

Pedigree Dogs Exposed was not the first time that people exposed pedigree dog breeding and selling, people have been complaining about dog shows since they started.

Pedigree dogs exposed was the first time that somebody got action for their complaints.

Pedigree dogs exposed didn’t just talk, it didn’t just write, it video taped, edited, and aired.

Jemima Harrison, brave woman, went to dog shows and filmed.

Jemima Harrison, did interviews, and she got the BBC to put her film on the air (TV – telly).

We need to remember Jemima Harrison, and watch her video film, Pedigree Dogs Exposed, so that we never forget, that not everybody is nice, and that not everybody who sells warm fuzzy puppies, are nice warm fuzzy people.

I love the film. I love that finally, somebody was able to speak out for the suffering dogs, and the duped people who bought the puppies, wasted money, and had their family’s hearts broken by breeders who were not producing good pets, but who were producing show dog puppies and then selling them as pets.

If you can’t watch the film in your area, it is on video in 6 parts; there are links over on terrierman:

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com
(search: Pedigree Dogs Exposed)

Terrierman was also in a film himself about the problems in show dogs.

PDE, Pedigree Dogs Exposed will be on TV tomarrow in America, THURSDAY Dec, 10, 2009.

After all those years, where breeders (whose own dogs weren’t spayed), made people sign legal contracts to buy a puppy from them – making them have the puppy spayed, now, finally, someone gets around to figuring out that it isn’t just cutting out the dog’s ovaries, it’s cutting off years of her life.

And those rescue people, and the ‘humane’ people? Chop it off and cut it out.

In Europe, spaying and neutering is not popular. Maybe we should do it their way, because our system is not working right at all? Maybe, eclectically, we could get a better system by taking the best of all the systems to make one new system.

http://media-newswire.com/release_1107284.html

and wikipedia on neutering (I never looked up neutering on wikipedia, because I have seen neuters done, had neutered and unneutered dogs . . . thought that I understood.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering

Well, now we know, it is NOT just early (juvenile) neutering and spaying that are harmful.

Maybe we should stop cutting up pets, and retrain the veterinarians to be doctors in a new health care system?

They LIED!

They lied with their voice, they lied with their pamphlets, they lied with their radio shows, they lied in the newspaper, they lied on TV, they lied on the web, they lied on the phone, their lies fill books.

Look and read it on the web,
If you want a healthy pet,
Everyone spay, use your head,
She’ll be healthy, you can bet!

Two independent research studies show that hysterectomies are NOT useful to the long life of women or dogs . . .

read it – the title tells it:
http://www.procto-med.com/message-for-women-and-dogs-keeping-ovaries-is-linked-to-longevity/

Breeders don’t want to have THEIR animals fixed, they want you to have YOUR animals fixed!

(Report by David J Waters, Dec 1)

What part of “puppy mill” does the government not understand?

100 dogs, in holes in the ground covered with planks, or tied to farm equipment?

Were they fighting pit bulls or breeding purebreds for profit, or what?

What were they doing with 100 dogs? And earlier this year, nearby 200 dogs were rescued?

Oregon, listen, people don’t need 100 dogs. Really.

100 dogs are not pets. 200 dogs sounds like far too much work for any family. And where do you put the poop from 200 dogs? And the urine?

A show breeder can do very well with her 4 best breeding dogs – the rest can be fixed (spayed/ neutered).

A socially responsible dog club would allow fixed dogs to compete alongside the fertile ones.

If the club they belong to doesn’t allow fixed dogs to enter, then they need to find a new club or work to change the club that they are in.

I am for FAIR limit laws, that restrict the number of unfixed cats and dogs per residence, and/ or per person – so long as those laws do NOT give excemptions to clubs, kennels, purebreds, or people with dozens of dogs.

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/12/08/crew-sent-to-rescue-up-to-100-dogs-in-rural-ore/

I was looking for more blogs to read, when I found one that had ads for sloped back (‘banana back’) show shepherds (GSD).

The main arguement of the article seemed to me to be, “How dare Los Angeles treat us like everybody else!”

Maybe my point of view was different because, I had been in a group where this was discussed, and nobody , NOBODY, ever, EVER, said “Those poor pet owners” or “What about the pet owners?” which was annoying because the group was suppose to be about pets, and the law.

The LA law was to make pet owners all have their dogs and cats operated on so they could never reproduce, but was allowing show dog breeders to keep churning out more purebreds. (Voldermort has risen again! and he is in Los Angeles.)

So I’m cruising around today, and I find a site where kennel owners are upset because the law they thought was only going to apply to pet owners was being applied to them.

What goes around sometimes comes around.

The computer went down for awhile and my connection was lost, so no link, not that you’d want to read about kennel owners complaining about having to obey the law.

Book

I have NOT read this book, but it looks good, maybe Santa will bring me a copy, if I leave him some hot chocolate and cake (because I’m not going to merit it from being good!) -just kidding.

The author is an ex-veterinarian – Matthew Watkinson.

I Quote from an article about the book:

“What about a client who owns a purebred dog with a lot of inherited problems?”

“It’s a potential gold mine.” says Watkinson.

“Unsurprisingly, his statements haven’t endeared him to his peers.”

This link does have ads, but it also has the rest of the article:
http://www.pawnation.com/2009/12/04/why-one-veterinarian-quit-disgusted-with-a-profession-he-once-r/

I hadn’t heard of Matthew Watkinson until a few minutes ago, but now I like him. Tell it like it is! (I once worked for a veterinarian).

Spay Pit

How did offering free spays and neuters for pit bulls work in San Francisco? Seems that the free, but mandatory, fixes have really brought down the number of pit bulls the shelters have to euthanize.

Are there less pit bull puppies now, or just more careful breeders?

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/09/flashback-sf-pit-bull-sterilization-law.html

Loose Pit Bulls

Pit Bulls kill man out for a walk. West Virgina calls it a misdemeanor, but may soon change the penalties.

At the least, it is negligent homicide. People know that pit bulls can kill, letting them run loose . . . what kind of careless is that?

And a chained big mean dog in your yard? Like a swimming pool in your yard or worse. People can’t always see a mean dog on a long chain. And, like a swimming pool, little kids can walk up to a chained dog and die.

Chained dogs need a fence around them to keep the children apart from them.

And a pack of dogs? Keeping a pack of pit bulls and letting them run loose? If I get a pet tiger and let it run loose, and it kills your kid? A pack of pit bulls, surely people should know better than to let them run loose.

http://www.wvnstv.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=71577

People with pit bulls to sell often say they are nice dogs, but so a Labradors, beagles, foxhounds, Golden Retrievers, and mutts. Why buy a pit bull, if your aren’t looking for a mean dog or a mean dog image?

Never a perfect match.

I was getting a bit tired of writing, and wanted to find more good blogs to read.

My two favorite dog blogs are terriermandotcom.blogspot and retrieverman.wordpress.

I wanted to find more blogs like those. I tried googling words that I thought people might use who wrote like I like. Needle in a haystack hunt.

So I decided to look up the names of these two blogs and try to find blogs that mentioned them (I mention them and I was NOT listed upon googling them).

I found one that mentioned terrierman. I went to her blog. She not only wrote about things I believe in, she used the same expressions that I do. I kind of thought that I might have found another doppelganger.

But although she mentions terrierman, it is to blast his blog and him.

I thought: Is it possible to like to bloggers, but they don’t like each other at all? She says terrierman kicked her off of his blog.

Personally, I only want readers who agree with my point of view, the rest of the batch can read, but I don’t try to please everyone. To rant about someone or their ideas on their blog, might be a form of trolling.

It’s not just what you say, it is where you say it. For example: If I post Baptist ideas on a Baptist site, that is good. But if I go over to Catholic or Jewish sites, and try to post Baptist ideas there, that’s trolling. Same thing in reverse, Catholics and Jewish people ought not go to Baptist sites and try to post their ideas there.

I write this blog. Trying to post comments that disagree, is like trying to post “You should celebrate Christmas!” on a non Christian site, or going to a Baptist site and criticising baptism. It’s just spoiling for a verbal train wreak.

(Both of those ideas can be discussed, but not where they are not welcome.)

I decided that Id’ of kicked off people trying to post a rant against me, or my ideas, on my site too.

But I was intrigued by the idea of person who agrees with me on so many points. I kind of mulled this new blog around a bit. We disagreed on pit bulls, but she has never had a pit bull.

She mentions the dogs she has had, and none of them are pitbulls. She raises purebreds. She sells purebred puppies. They are not pit bulls. What does she know of pit bulls? She mentions no experience, quotes no sources – at least not on the posts that I read in her archive.

From what I read, her beef is that the local pound can’t find homes for all the pit bulls. That, in my opinion, doesn’t mean that those dogs aren’t being produce in too high of numbers. So I don’t understand what point she was trying to make.

She said terrierman has never bred a litter, and she has bred lots of them. But she failed to state (at least right there on that post, along side her complaint) what he might of said, that he might of said differently, had he been a dog breeder.

I have been a dog breeder. And a cat breeder. And I have bred other animal too. I have hung out at dog shows and I talk to dog show people and dog show breeders.

Yet, I don’t find any weakness in terrierman’s posts – he doesn’t post about what to do to start up a newborn pup that isn’t breathing, or how to help a mother dog who isn’t into being a mommy.

There are things that you learn from experience. There are other things you learn by looking at what is there in plain site – without rose-colored glasses.

A person’s experience means little to other readers, if they are not honest about it. And many of the real problems in dog breeding, can be seen at shows by people who do not breed dogs.

It seems that the problems are mostly from the people who are too close to the problem to see it, or who have motive to pretend that the problem doesn’t exist.

You don’t have to be a drunk to recognise that your vodka swilling boss is an alcoholic.

There are problems with pit bulls. For whatever reason, their bite stats are very very high. And their percentages of euthanasia (nobody wants them) is very very high.

Terrierman is right on the money again today! But don’t quote him in front of your teachers, teachers don’t like it when you outsmart them, and such things tend to rile up those who chant what they believe, instead of thinking about the problem.

Back when I was in high school, several of the teachers liked to talk about social problems, and I generally liked that – not the “this is how it should be, propaganda type”, but the “there is a problem with ___”.

One day, it suddenly dawned on me that all of these problems had the very same source. We didn’t need to think up hundreds of different solutions to hundreds of different problems, because there was one root source to all of these problems.

I assumed this was really going to lead to a good class discussion (not a good assumption on my part).

Thousands of towns with sewage disposal problems? Hundreds of places where sewage is seeping into the ground water? Growing special monoculture crops with intensive farming methods to try to feed an ever growing population?

Pesticides because crops are too needed to tolerate nature taking her cut? Beef being fed up in cramped feedlots? Traffic? No place for more freeways? Gasoline shortages? Housing shortages? etc.

The problem wasn’t the lack of resources but the booming rate of population growth.

The teacher looked at me like I had said that I’d seen a herd of pink elephants.

I knew I was right, so why was the teacher so displeased? He didn’t even let me finish explaining.

I had opened up a taboo topic, that he was skirting about. So easy to talk over the head of teenager who have never heard the truth.

The kids who had understood what he was talking about were the ones whose churches gave lectures about “Why there is NOT overpopulation'”and “Why overpopulation is impossible”.

Friends, quoting from their church, explained [paraphrasing]: “When the population gets too high, the extra starve to death, and aren’t a problem anymore. Since overpopulation is more people than we can feed, there is never too many, because if there were too many, the extra would be dead”.

The whole point is to keep birth numbers low enough that people aren’t starving to death.

And it is easily possible to have a deadly number of people, yet be able to feed them all. (polution kills).

You can probably afford to feed 50 cats (if you feed them cheap food?) but that wouldn’t make having 50 cats in your house comfortable would it?

Apologies to those readers with 75 cats in their house. Please don’t hiss at me.

Why is the truth taboo? The truth is that our nation has finite resources, and so do other countries.

Our population has passed the point when we can do best on a growth model of economics. We need to have a steady-state system. A matured system. A system not built around the concept of growth.

We need to deal with the plain hard truth that if other countries have raging population growth, they will want the agricultural lands of their neighbors, like Hitler drooling over French farmlands.

We work to help our neighbors with family planning or we end up in war. We help our country with family planning or we deal with poverty on our doorsteps.

I think Europe is winning at being the nicest towards animals. But then, some of their ‘competition’ isn’t even trying.

Most Americans aren’t into fights much anymore, they can see more violence on TV, the computer, and in games, and all from a comfy chair in a climate controlled house.

Are these useful farmer’s dogs, or bloodsport dogs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-baiting

click on the wikipedia links to the types of animal baiting.

Doesn’t look like a cattle round up to me.

Note the colored rag around one dogs neck. Is this to identify him to bettors? so he won’t be confused with other dogs ’rounding up the bull’?

Ever notice how many of photos of pit bulls TODAY, still show them with colored neckercheifs?